Forgot password
Enter the email address you used when you joined and we'll send you instructions to reset your password.
If you used Apple or Google to create your account, this process will create a password for your existing account.
This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
Reset password instructions sent. If you have an account with us, you will receive an email within a few minutes.
Something went wrong. Try again or contact support if the problem persists.
Ivern makes sure new life is born in the forrest.
Image via Riot Games

LoL community is divided over Ivern’s latest rework putting ease over skill expression

A true challenge is finding a balance for players of all kinds.

For League of Legends devs, one of the toughest lines to balance is making sure that a champion still feels rewarding to play for those who put time into learning their kit, while not making them impossibly hard to try for newcomers. But for Ivern mains who already put down roots with the champion in 2016, the Greenfather’s latest rework has made him “shallow to play as and oppressive to play against.”

Recommended Videos

In a detailed post on League‘s subreddit, a Challenger-level Ivern broke down their grievances with the champion’s rework, saying that a lot of the changes have either removed a lot of the champion’s skill expression or counterplay.

“I also don’t want to come off as somebody who is against change,” the player said. “I absolutely love how Ivern was pre-13.11, but I could reasonably learn to enjoy future changes as long as they’re well designed and keep the spirit of Ivern alive.”

Ivern’s Brushmaker, for example, was changed so that not only will his team gain vision for a longer period of time, but its cooldown was also reduced. As a result, Ivern players are no longer required to think critically about where and when they must place a bush, and instead, can simply spam out bushes for information and control.

Related: LoL devs set to nerf Kai’Sa stats, Ivern’s Rift Maker build in Patch 13.15

His Triggerseed shield was also changed so that if the seed’s explosion doesn’t hit an enemy, its shield is reapplied for the same amount and duration. This change was supposed to give Ivern more tools to support ranged champions, but instead, it removed any counterplay against his shield for the enemy team.

Lastly, Daisy’s new buffs have made her incredibly simple to use, while also being incredibly strong in almost any situation. Ivern players no longer have to micromanage Daisy’s whereabouts, but she also hits incredibly hard and is very difficult to avoid.

Although many Ivern mains are disappointed since all of the time they’ve put into mastering his unique skill set has been rendered relatively mute, these changes are pretty good for casual players who are trying to learn the champion. One user, for example, said that the rework has made Ivern “bearable for people to actually play,” instead of him being an incredibly complex champion that many newer players will avoid.

It’s a tough line to toe since devs want Ivern enthusiasts to feel like their hard work was worth it, but they also don’t want to deprive the general player base of a unique jungling experience. In the end, however, there will always be tougher champions with higher learning curves, that require more time and patience to perfect.


Dot Esports is supported by our audience. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn a small affiliate commission. Learn more about our Affiliate Policy
Author
Image of Tyler Esguerra
Tyler Esguerra
Lead League of Legends writer for Dot Esports. Forever an LCS supporter, AD carry main, with more than five years in the industry. Sometimes I like clicking heads in Call of Duty or VALORANT. Creator of the Critical Strike Podcast.